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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Fred Flintstone on August 05, 2011, 02:47 am
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He recently listed some outrageously good prices for a bunch of opiates. Has anyone done business with him?
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we all know how easy it can be to fake feedback and there are lots of counterfeit meds out there...most of which come in blister packs which worries me...ive gotten fake xanax called ONAX and ive gotten fake roxy/oxys...the majority of these drugs are made in India. Now im not saying BenzoMan is selling fake shit but if its too good to be true...but i cant judge until i try it...
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^^^You are right. But, since actiq and the European fentora do come in blister type packs here in the usa, im pulling that they are legit, plus he actually called them actiq.
This is why escrow is so important. Plus, he didn't have a lot of the above available. I saw his listing rather quickly and he only had 2 10 paks of the actiq available and when I purchased the 800mcg lozenges it was the last available. I never saw how many patches he had. The only thing that bothered about his listings that he put 1200mcg/hr when 1200mch is all the medicine it has in it, not an hourly rate. Same with the buccal tabs. I have had both (for years) so I will know in 2 minutes if they are fake or not..
I really hope he is on the level and delivers. Also, I sent him pm's yesterday and he still hasn't read them. usually, sellers will check their pm's at least a few times a day...
Edit: I just checked and abstral had been in europe for a few years. it was just given approval a few months ago in the usa. **Crossing fingers that he comes thru*****
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I would imagine that he is swamped with PMs seeing as he posted a bunch of good products for cheap. I really hope he is legit - and if he is he will have a large following of loyal customers!
*crosses fingers*
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Jesus Christ, 14 orders, 31 messages. My SR is a little bit slow, I won't be able to answer them all now, please give me one more day. Also I dont have THAT much stamps here ;-) Will have to buy them on Monday.
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I know exactly how you feel benzoman. It's not as easy as people think. 5 orders is a chore let alone 14 or whatever (if packaged right). I had a feeling you would be swamped when you started to sell out, lol..
Dont sweat it and its better to take your time and make it right rather than rushing it...One extra day isnt going to kill anyone...
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...and shipping to the US now too? That rocks.
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I will now begin to answer all of your questions. I have 37 messages, i think this should take a few hours as my SR is still slow, so please stay tuned.
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Before i get more messages asking for samples:
I ask for your understanding that Im not able to give away FREE samples for stuff like Oxycodone, Fentanyl or similiar. Apart from the loss I have to buy envelopes, stamps, camouflage material and last but not least I would have to go to the post office. All for free. Thats not what I call profitable. When youre in an restaurant, its also not possible to try a pizza before ordering it. You buy a pizza or you stay hungry.
I have over 15 people asking for free stuff. Just calculate yourself what massive costs and time that would be without earning anything.
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Before i get more messages asking for samples:
I ask for your understanding that Im not able to give away FREE samples for stuff like Oxycodone, Fentanyl or similiar. Apart from the loss I have to buy envelopes, stamps, camouflage material and last but not least I would have to go to the post office. All for free. Thats not what I call profitable. When youre in an restaurant, its also not possible to try a pizza before ordering it. You buy a pizza or you stay hungry.
I have over 15 people asking for free stuff. Just calculate yourself what massive costs and time that would be without earning anything.
I agree BenzoMan is an established vendor he has no reason to be giving out free samples unless he wants to, ordering from BenzoMan is not a big gamble, he is proven and professional.
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Yep, no reason. I get those people all the time too. I just give them a polite "no" and move on.. Especially with escrow!
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Wait. People just ask for free samples? That's actually a good idea, I would've never thought of it. I can't imagine anyone would take you up on it though. On the other hand, if even one seller agreed to send me a free sample, it would be worth it ;D
Don't worry sellers, I wouldn't actually do that.
Getting back to the topic, I'd love to order from BenzoMan, but getting packages from overseas kinda scares me. US buyers, what kind of experiences have you had getting packages from foreign sellers?
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i'VE HAD GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH OVERSEAS PACKAGES.....like only one out of 10 didnt make it because there was no return address and it was from the Netherlands
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Thank you guys, I appreciate your respects.
What gives me a headache is, I have ฿155.16 in escrow now and today btc value dropped from 7 to 6 Euros. A few days ago, when I made my offers on SR and calculated my prices, it was at 9.5 Euros. That really really sucks. Not even hedge escrow could have saved me from such a big drop. I WILL deliver this time, but the next time I'll deliberate about whether I do business without escrow in the future. I know that many of you don't like that idea, but just see it from my point of view. I lost hundreds of Euros and now I have to give away stuff below value. Lucky buyers, but unlucky me. I wont do this again. I already made a few offers like an discount of 25 % when paying directly. We'll see. I have many customers who get their stuff outside of SR and also outside of escrow who is much more comfortable for me.
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It's understandable BenzoMAN but more than likely it will be back up in a weeks time.
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Yep, like nomad said. I lost my shorts on the last sell off and a week later I made most of the money back the next week. Also, you have to remember that the buyer too lost value, so if you were to cancel on him/her they would take a bigger loss because no product was delivered. The buyer didn't get a better deal, although it seems like it.
You are a reputable vendor if you honor your purchases. I commend you for that. I hate when vendors cancel orders due to the btc. its the risk that we take.
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Thank you guys, I appreciate your respects.
What gives me a headache is, I have ฿155.16 in escrow now and today btc value dropped from 7 to 6 Euros. A few days ago, when I made my offers on SR and calculated my prices, it was at 9.5 Euros. That really really sucks. Not even hedge escrow could have saved me from such a big drop. I WILL deliver this time, but the next time I'll deliberate about whether I do business without escrow in the future. I know that many of you don't like that idea, but just see it from my point of view. I lost hundreds of Euros and now I have to give away stuff below value. Lucky buyers, but unlucky me. I wont do this again. I already made a few offers like an discount of 25 % when paying directly. We'll see. I have many customers who get their stuff outside of SR and also outside of escrow who is much more comfortable for me.
Thank you BenzoMan, that is very noble of you. Once I receive my order I plan on sending you some more BTC to help make up for the recent drop in BTC value - it isn't fair that you should have to take the entire hit, especially since you have such good prices to begin with. As has been said, we are a community here at the Silk Road. BenzoMan is an honest and valuable part of this community who has been put in an unfortunate situation. I feel that helping to cover his losses is the right thing to do and I urge others to do the same.
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i'VE HAD GREAT EXPERIENCE WITH OVERSEAS PACKAGES.....like only one out of 10 didnt make it because there was no return address and it was from the Netherlands
No return address eh. Maybe that's what happened to my order from NL.
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@BenzoMan-is that why your prices are so low? I started another thread asking if anyone knew WHY you were selling stuff for about 1/3 of the usual price on SR. I don't know you and didn't want to sound too accusing but I was just *stunned* by the pricing. Like USD10.00 for a 16mg Palladone?
I will go back and delete my post. If you saw it, it was made without my knowing your situation. I hope you can understand why it would, at least, make a person very familiar with SR prices and (most) vendors take notice. But you have my sincere apology if anyone has read it and now is somehow suspicious of you.
I *wondered* why no one replied to my post. hahaha! Hey, at least it's a move I'm familiar with: Step 1. open mouth Step 2. insert foot! ;)
I wish you the best and damn, why not take down those listings now or just change the pricing??? Or am I still missing something?
Ok, stopping typing now. Quit while I'm ahead, or at least not terminally behind. :)
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The palladone are in capsules with the small globes inside really really hard to abuse via injection if not impossible...so that is the reason they are priced much lower.
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See Benzo? It looks like you will be just fine.. In fact, it looks like you will be ahead by a lot...
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Good morning!
I cant finish orders atm because SR is down! :-(
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=1820.0
Hope it will be back soon.
edit: up again 8)
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It's not down.
I just refreshed it.
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Are the 40's and 80's crushable?...or are they like the US versions.
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Are the 40's and 80's crushable?...or are they like the US versions.
The OC's are but the OP's are really hard to grind down, but possible.
Protip: When sniffing ER opiate pills it's best to make 6 small lines of your dose and sniff 1 up each side of your nose at a time, spreading out the times by like by like 15-20 minutes in between.
This gives the oxy time to be absorbed much faster than if you do one large line.
The oxy will absorb faster the smaller the amount sniffed, if you put a bunch up there at once it's all gonna glob together and the time release will kick back in, but most of the oxy will get absorbed before the gel starts to take place.
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So are you saying the tabs that benzo is selling are like to OP's? Thats what i was referring to...he has 40/80mg retard tabs...and was wondering if these are the same as the perdue OP's.
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So are you saying the tabs that benzo is selling are like to OP's? Thats what i was referring to...he has 40/80mg retard tabs...and was wondering if these are the same as the perdue OP's.
Im not sure with those retard tablets...you'll have to ask BenzoMan.
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Benzoman's rating dropped to 76%, but it only looks like one person gave him three 1/5 reviews. Based on his prices being so low, him telling everyone he would knock off another 25% from his price if people went out of escrow and his rating dropping to 76% I am starting to lose faith.
This seemed too good to be true from the beginning, but I still have a glimmer of hope.
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I just noticed that as well. That will be too bad if he doesn't fulfill. Hopefullly, he is just busy, etc
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Crap!!!!!!I just noticed too!!!! I hope he has a good explanation. He never asked me to finalize early. I don't understand what he gains by using escrow! He has been pretty active on the forum as well. Im not going to panic.....Yet...... :-\
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Obviously some idiot had one problem with him and had ordered three items. Then instead of just leaving one negative feedback he went for blood and left three.
I highly doubt benzoman would start ripping anyone off now.
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Thats what Im banking on.. Literally..... He hasn't read one of my pm's to him that was left for him yesterday. HE could easily be away from his computer, etc. Im still a believer....
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No way is he is on the up-and-up. I now Know for a fact this guy is a scam from personal experience! First he will offer to go outside of escrow; when you don't he wont send the product, and then will not resolve at 100%. Think about it; even if he offers 75% refund; which he has on one occasion, he still wins by 25%. This guy is full of sh**! He's active on the forums to gain your trust! He's not a good guy! Stay away! Oh and by the way I gave him positive feedback hoping that I would actually send me stuff; finalized early. I am a huge dolt; I actually trusted him! I finalized early on one order; went outside of escrow on the other-- got screwed on both!!!!
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Stay away! it's a scam!!!
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Pretty sure catw0man and Benzoman are one and the same! Benzoman hasn't come through with anything for me! stole my money. UGGGh. I'm losing faith in SR. Aromatics did the same thing. Now he's gone. Wonder if Benzoman will disappear too?
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This isn't looking good at all. I hope that SR doesn't allow for only partial refunds. I certainly hope that SR will be able to see through their scam. That would be a shame for a scammer to even get 25 percent of someones hard earned bitcoins.
Hopefully he will prove us wrong, but it's not looking good, that's for sure. This is a perfect example as to why escrow is so important. Unless you have done several sucessfull transactions with a vendor don't go outside of escrow, even then be careful and cautious. IF ITS A SCAM, DO NOT ACCEPT EVEN A PARTIAL REFUND! DEMAND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT BACK!!!
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Any number of things could have happened. Shit happens and he can't be at his computer at all times. Even some people don't see their computer every day of their lives.
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you are right! Thats why I stated a few posts above that there might be an easy explanation. But, with the comments so far, its not looking good. I hope that he is legit, i really do. If everyone stays within escrow, this wouldn't be an issue. If it is a scam, then I hope SR will issue 100 percent refunds and not 75 percent or worse.
Trust me, I really hope that he is legit.
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Ya I agree.. Considering I ordered out of escrow with him..
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This isn't looking good at all. I hope that SR doesn't allow for only partial refunds. I certainly hope that SR will be able to see through their scam. That would be a shame for a scammer to even get 25 percent of someones hard earned bitcoins.
Hopefully he will prove us wrong, but it's not looking good, that's for sure. This is a perfect example as to why escrow is so important. Unless you have done several sucessfull transactions with a vendor don't go outside of escrow, even then be careful and cautious. IF ITS A SCAM, DO NOT ACCEPT EVEN A PARTIAL REFUND! DEMAND THE ENTIRE AMOUNT BACK!!!
A bunch of us are still in escrow, so I would imagine that if we all ask to resolve SR will give everyone 100% back considering it is not possible that he would have sent out a bunch of packages that "never arrived." If nobody gets a package it is obviously a scam and SR should see that.
I'm glad as hell I didn't take him up on the out of escrow for 25% off deal he offered - it smelled like a scam.
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Well I'll be expecting a full refund if my order doesn't come through.
This is why we have escrow, people. Don't pretend like any drug dealer is "trustworthy" or you'll eventually get fucked.
Doesn't matter how legit they seem, how many times you've done business with them. Its only a matter of time before they roll on you.
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I'll have to agree with Pengo. It would suck major ass if he did decide to keep it all. But he was having problems with the BTC prices being so low and him getting gyped just as everyone bought because the prices dropped.
It's possible hes waiting for prices to go up, or maybe he got picked up by the police (which would suck), hes sick, his computer caught fire, his dog at his keyboard, or hes just taking a break. He did get a shit load of purchases so you can't expect him to walk up to a mail slot and just drop all of them in at once without looking suspicious.
Anything could have happened. He doesn't gain anything besides a quick buck by scamming us. If he stays legit, its more cash over a longer period of time.
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Thats the thing. Right now, the BTC is up around 30 percent above his original pricing. So, he tends to make a tidy sum if delivers. I also find it ironic that in his previous posts on different topics, he states that the bitcoin fluctuation is something that the vendor just has to deal with. So him complaining that the bitcoin dropped doesn't make sense. He has said himself in other threads not to worry, the btc always makes a recovery.
To the poster that only got 75 percent back, why not change your feedback? Say that you got scammed on an out of escrow deal. That would have saved many people a lot of money/aggravation.
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I'll have to agree with Pengo. It would suck major ass if he did decide to keep it all. But he was having problems with the BTC prices being so low and him getting gyped just as everyone bought because the prices dropped.
It's possible hes waiting for prices to go up, or maybe he got picked up by the police (which would suck), hes sick, his computer caught fire, his dog at his keyboard, or hes just taking a break. He did get a shit load of purchases so you can't expect him to walk up to a mail slot and just drop all of them in at once without looking suspicious.
Anything could have happened. He doesn't gain anything besides a quick buck by scamming us. If he stays legit, its more cash over a longer period of time.
He marked my package "in transit" a while ago and I haven't heard from him since he asked to go out of escrow. With prices as low as they were, I can't imagine he would be able to take 25% off those prices and still have any room for profit. He was charging like $18 per 80mg OP. At 25% off that would be $13.50 each, which is damn near impossible. Although there was a lot of beating around the bush, everyone knows he could sell his shit at twice what he was charging.
Before I tear him down I want to make sure this isn't just a mistake.
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Ya know it's really odd that benzoman shows up on these forums when the info is positive; but no rebuttals to negative info. I really hope he comes through for those of you that went outside of escrow. Good luck; let us know how it turns out for you. :P
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I just checked. He hasn't even read my PM's yet he has logged in today. So, with no response here on the forum and the non communication at the market. Unfortunately,It smells rotten. I would love to be proven wrong. But, he's probably checking to see how many orders were sent to him without escrow, lol.
I did send SR a heads up, so they are aware of the situation. I am hoping they ban his ass if he does turn out scammer. I love it too, because he didn't hedge the escrow and I would end up making at least 30 percent on my money, once its returned...(as long as the btc stays where its at) The excuse that he made for not hedging doesn't make sense. He told me he didn't hedge because It wouldn't help him in such a decline!!! WTF? thats what hedging is for! its especially helpful when the btc drops dramatically.
I hope that I will eat my words. Trust me. I would love that. I would love nothing more than to give a huge apology if he were to come through. If he was on the up and up, he would be pm'ing us or giving us a message here. Unfortunately, I dont think we are going to see anything.
PROVE ME WRONG, BENZOMAN, PROVE ME WRONG!!! This is one of the few times in my life that I really do want to be proved wrong, lol.. >:(
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Yeah I made my order with him when bitcoins were around $7 each I believe so I would be thrilled to get my bitcoins back.
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i was thinking, it would be smart for a buyer to put out the word that he is a scammer so that nobody will buy from him except him... Wouldn't that be funny?/ironic? While it's possible that this happened, it surely isn't probable. I looked through catwomans and benzomans posts and I didnt find too many similarities, catwoman only brought up benzoman once. Also, maybe its catwoman that created the the post regarding the 75 percent refund. I thought it was ironic that the poster made a new account just to post that.
Maybe a buyer is trying to keep him to him/her self. I know I know, its wishful thinking, but a small possibility.. lol..
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Good day all. I dont know if your talking about the feedback I left for benzoman a day or 2 ago but if you are then let me explain. I sent Benzo a PM asking hime when my packages were sent out and he sent back this:
Due to the amount (over 15) of orders the last 3 days i wont be able to ship your order before the middle of the next week. I first need to buy enough envelopes, stamps and camouflage material.
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Due to the instability of the BTC exchange rate and basically to protect me against a big financial loss, I would like to offer a direct payment without going through escrow. Let me first say you dont have to do this. If you want to use the SR escrow im totally fine with it, thats your choice. I'm a reputable seller as you can see in my ratings. But please read my offer.
My offer would imply:
When you pay the BTC directly OR finish the order in the SR menu immediately, I grant you an discount of 25 % of the price you would originally pay when using escrow. So, for example, a 10 BTC order would cost 7.5 BTC.
You may ask why am I doing this. The BTC value dropped within the last few days from 9.5 to now 7.45. That sucks, especially when you have over 100 BTCs pending in escrow for weeks. Hedge escrow is no solution for this big drops in value.
Please let me know if youre interested.
I didnt order out of escrow but when I asked him again when my orders will be sent out he said:
From: BenzoMan
Date: August 10, 2011, 6:49 pm UTC
If you want, you can finalize your orders. The coins will then be released to my account. I would then re-send you 25%.
After a few PMs I never heard from him again. So about 3 or 4 days later I changed my review.
I hope that helps everyone.
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And just to tie up some loose ends. To the A**hole who called me a moron I ordered 3 different items at 3 different times. I received none of them . I am no moron . I'm a buyer who got screwed out of 80 US dollars because I trusted someone with good reviews. . I am also a seller here somewhere in Top 20 of all sellers . I am using a different name of course to keep my anonymity but I would never ever do something so sketchy as Benzo. When someone could do that they could also send fake stuff not send at all ect. Make me really worried. I probably wont get my orders anyway.
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benzomans profile says hes a scammer i'm pretty sure. so i guess you guys were right.
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I was this close to finish a deal with him outside escrow. What a big lesson.
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Just noticed he no longer has any opioid listings
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if you look at his profile it says he scammed everyone and even says how many btc's he stole. sad for an early seller to turn scammer. i expect more from the low numbers i guess.
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Didn't get the ones that went through escrow... ;D
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I guess this is what Benzoprick thinks:
BenzoMan
has been a member for 2 months
was last seen: today
ranked #176 out of 180 sellers with 75.1% positive feedback from 28 transactions
send BenzoMan a message
I don't always scam,
but when I do
I get 130 bitcoins!
Bye!
PS: Haters gonna hate.
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THANK YOU SILK ROAD!!! I got every penny back! Or should I say every bitcon back!! Even though I really would have rather had the suckers, etc. I can now at least purchase around 30 percent more.... The way I look at it, I won.
Im still a bit puzzled. Why would he not try to make me go out of escrow if that was his goal? Sorry to those that got screwed. It really is a bad day for everyone. It hurts the vendors and buyers in the long run. Everyone looses credibility..
Plus, in all of his correspondence, I never thought once that it was a scam. Very good lesson learned for all, that's for sure...
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At first he was legit, then after some 2weeks period of not having listing he just start to list many opiates very affordable. I think he do that just to scam but he was careful to not rose suspicius. That can be seen in his post, complaining about btc fall etc etc. When he saw that buyers send him a part of funds out of escrow he just waited to accumulate.
IMO, his first round vending here was total legit but when he could not found anymore nothing to sell he just start to scamm.
He can be ashammed!
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Well this sucks. I did send him 4.8BTC before...
Oh well. Theres 50 bucks gone.
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I lost 50 bucks to him too...guess some things are too good to be true. My BS meter is usually pretty good.
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wow.
did his account get hacked? he was a pretty upstanding vendor from what I understand.
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I guess this is what Benzoprick thinks:
BenzoMan
has been a member for 2 months
was last seen: today
ranked #176 out of 180 sellers with 75.1% positive feedback from 28 transactions
send BenzoMan a message
I don't always scam,
but when I do
I get 130 bitcoins!
Bye!
PS: Haters gonna hate.
If 130 btc is all he got then what a sad individual. I spend more than double that on this site every month. Always through escrow and never lost a cent.
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I don't think so. He even claimed (Read above) that he sometimes scams. I think Mseller hit it on the head. His supplier went dry, so he decided to get what he could. Honestly, to claim he scammed 130 bitcoins is actually a low number for a scammer. Im glad he only got that amount, if he were smart, he would got away with a lot more, fortunately, he isn't very bright..
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Super not cool status.
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well i got fucked... and it was for shit i really needed, damn.. i would never have done that to my peeps, some people are just pure evil shit heads.. karma will find him and i hope he gets what is coming to him, a bullet to the head would suffice
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I just got my bitcoins back from escrow from my orders with benzoman. Sorry to all those who lost money to this fuckhead. What a bastard.
I have gone out of escrow for a couple people and one of the two was barrysneaky (only lost $50). The other was chronicpain, which worked out well :)
I know a bunch of honest people offer better deals for going out of escrow (such as chronicpain) and I know I can trust you, but by doing it, it is showing people that if you are honest then perhaps the next person (such as benzoman) is honest. Going out of escrow has been legitimized. Thus, people are more willing to go out of escrow.
My point is that if nobody went out of escrow then scammers would stop trying. Not trying to hurt your business or anything CP, just throwing the idea of eliminating "out of escrow" business dealings. What do you think?
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Just to add fuel to the fire; I also got one of those "go outside of escrow offers and I will knock off 25%". I of course said no; he then marked my order "in transit" said he shipped the normal way and I thought everything was fine. I was actually expecting my order to arrive today. When it did not I logged on only to find a message from SR saying that my order had been cancelled and they hoped I could find a comparable vendor to meet my needs. I thought to myself "ahhh bullshit" I really needed that today. I guess the good thing is that I got my money back! I; like the rest of you noticed that there is no sign of this jerk anywhere! My question is though; why even mark it "in transit"? If the goal was to scam; and I did not agree, why even act as if he was actually sending it? Was it to buy time? It feels as if he did it just to piss me off! I'm sure it was the before mentioned reason, but he still pissed me off. Lesson learned, NEVER go outside of escrow. We should probably do a better job of alerting SR when these things arise immediately; just to keep the community of honest people intact. I will in the future do it much faster. He assured me though that I did not have to accept his offer; he was simply trying to combat the dropping btc value. I proposed that he simply short my order to make up the difference. Of course there was no response to that, I should have known right then that this guy was out for blood. Hopefully he did not take too many people for a ride down the scam highway.
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I really hope SR is taking BTC from Benzodicks account to pay back his disgruntled customers. Its good that people now need to pay to sell here . It will stop most of this scammer crap. Benzodick didnt have to pay. . It looks like he signed up before they were selling accounts.
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send to BenzoMan ฿-4.85 ฿0.65 August 10, 2011, 11:52 am UTC
Would it ever be possible to get that back? I'd love even some of it back..
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Smooth move...rater strikes again! :P
Professional douchebag.
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nomad bloodbath